Category Archives: Carlisle

More on Robert and Catherine Carlisle Clues

Yesterday, I shared a lot of information about Loyalist Robert Carlisle. However, the discovery of the 1785 land deed in St. John in which Robert and Catherine sold the odd little 2 1/2 foot wide strip of land of Lot 809 combined with the Royal Fencible Americans ship list showing that Robert was a single man when he arrived in Canada makes the odds quite high that Robert and Catherine married in St. John either in late 1784 or early 1785.

The few instances of less common names occurring in their children’s and grandchildren’s names – Cashen, Abraham, Rosanna, Harris, Valentine, Elida, Ephraim – have not led to any ties to Catherine’s origins. For the most part, they appear to come from familial ties to spouses of their children.

It makes sense to consider the earliest records found for Robert, which include some petitions for land in 1785 in St. John, 1790 in Queens County, New Brunswick and 1792 in Kings County, New Brunswick.

The largest petition was dated 14 August 1784 and re-submitted on 2 January 1785 and that was for the original grants to be awarded in Parr Town. That list is quite unmanageable, though, with 1145 names on it. I would bet quite a bit of money that a relative of Catherine’s was on this list, but figuring out who it was might not even be possible.

In 1785, only four petitioners were on one land request:
Robert Carlisle
George Cairnes (Carnes)
Edward Pendergrass
John Shaw

None of those names came up in Loyalist searches, but John Shaw was issued Lot 806, very close to that of Robert Carlisle, who had Lot 809. No other documents tie John Shaw to Robert Carlisle and John did not move on to Sussex in Kings County, where the Carlisles settled.

In 1790, the following people petitioned for land grants in Queens County, New Brunswick:
Robert Carlisle
Andrew Davison
Francis Franck
William Graves
William Linzey
George Manning
John Martin
Alexander McCabb
John Sprague
Love Sprague

In 1792, the following people petitioned for land in Kings County, New Brunswick:
Joseph Anderson
Robert Carlisle
Michael Dunfield
Benjamin Fowler
Frances Franck
William Graves
William Linzey
George Manning
John Martin
Love Sprague
William Sprague
James Stewart

The highlight names appear on both the 1790 and 1792 lists, so perhaps they had closer friendship and/or family connections. In addition, James Stewart, who appears on the 1792 list, is believed to be a brother of Walter Stewart, whose son John Stewart married Robert’s and Catharine’s daughter, Catharine Carlisle.

Of those early settlers identified in Grace Aiton’s book, The Story of Sussex and Vicinity, Alexander McCabb/McCobb, on the 1790 list for Queens County, plus Robert Carlisle, William Graves, George Manning, John Martin (Reverend) and William Sprague on both the 1790 and 1792 lists, appear in Grace’s book.

I don’t know if it is significant or not, but of those original Sussex settlers, only the Carlisles, Stewarts and Spragues moved on to Charlotte, Washington County, Maine. There were Clark, Coates, Doyle and Goddard families in Charlotte, too, by 1830, but these are common surnames and more research will need to be done to determine whether or not they are Loyalist families.

I believe my first plan of attack will be to research the Sprague line!

 

 

New Look at Catherine, Wife of Loyalist Robert Carlisle

One of my enduring brick walls has been the maiden name of the wife of Loyalist Robert Carlisle.  I’m not sure a new look has uncovered any further clues. Here is what is known:

Robert Carlisle was born c1751-1759, place unknown. His name appears on the List of Men, Women and Children, Late of the Royal Fencible American Regiment in the District of Passamaquoddy. The list is dated 2 July 1784. In 1785, he appears on a St. John, New Brunswick, Canada list as a barber.

Robert appears as a single man on the Royal Fencible American Regiment list. Based on the approximate births of his children, his oldest known child, Robert Jr., was born c1784-1785, so Robert married very soon after the RFA list was created.

I’ve taken another look at the few documents that Robert Carlisle and his children left in history.

Facts about Robert:
1. Served in the Royal Fencible Americans, assigned mostly to Nova Scotia, during the American Revolution
2. Single man on the 2 July 1784 list of men, women and children from the RFA who arrived in New Brunswick
3. Robert is listed as a barber on a 1785 St. John, New Brunswick, Canada list
4. He was born c1751-1759, place, parents, siblings all unknown
5. Robert died in 1834 in Charlotte, Washington, Maine per widow Catherine’s pension request
6. Proven children, at least by location, are Robert, John, James, Daniel, Abigail, Catherine and Mary.
7. Possible children, because of location and scarcity of the Carlisle surname in that time period: Tyson, Hannah, George, William, Ann and Benjamin.
8. Robert appears in only a couple of land deeds. He sold property to Christian Steeves of Moncton and then Christian sold the same property to James Carlisle. His land bordered that of Daniel Carlisle and George Pitfield.

Robert married Catherine (Maiden Name Unknown) about 1784 or 1785. She was born c1761 and died after 1840, probably in New Brunswick, Canada. She has not been found in the 1851 census.

My goal is to find some clue as to the maiden name of Catherine. As far as I know, no one has even come up with any suggestions.

The Carlisles moved around a bit, which hasn’t helped in the research department:


Carlisle Residences

Starting from the top, clockwise, John Carlisle (son of Robert) of Sussex married Elizabeth Cashen in 1813 in Newcastle, Northumberland County, New Brunswick, Canada. He later moved to (second) Buctouche, Kent County. Third is Sussex, which is where Robert Carlisle eventually received land and settled. Fourth is St. John, where he was in 1785. Fifth, some of the Carlisle family crossed into Maine c1815-1820 and lived in Charlotte, Washington County, Maine.

However, Robert Carlisle Jr. filed a land deed on 20 September 1831, selling his land in Sussex, but was identified as then living in Upper Canada.

This is quite messy in terms of research, isn’t it? The land deeds tell just a bit about the FAN club of Robert Carlisle. There is one more land deed, found in St. John, and dated 11 July 1785, in which Robert Carlisle and WIFE Catherine, are selling a lot in St. John to Robert Patullo. Therefore, it is a fact that sometime between 2 July 1784 and 11 July 1785, Robert Carlisle got married.

I find this deed with Robert Patullo to be very curious, due to the description of the land being sold:


Robert & Catherine Carlisle to Robert Patullo, Pg. 1


Page 2


Page 3

Robert Carlile & wife
to Robert Patullo

This Indenture made the Eleventh day of
July in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred
and Eighty five Between Robert Carlisle of the City of Saint
John and Catharine his wife of the one part and Robert
Patullo of the same place of the other part – witnesseth
that they the said Robert Carlisle and Catharine his wife
for and in consideration of the Sum of Two Pounds Six Shillings

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and eight pence Current Money of the Province of New
Brunswick to them in hand paid by the said Robert Pattul-
lo before the sealing and delivery hereof Have granted
bargained, sold, released, conveyed and confirmed and by
these Presents Do grant, bargain, sell, release, convey and
confirm unto the said Robert Pattullo and to his Heirs
and Assigns for ever All that certain Piece or Parcel of
Ground situate lying and being in Prince William Street in
the City of Saint John aforesaid being that part of Lot
Number Eight Hundred and Nine on which the Dwelling House
of the said Robert Pattullo now stands containing in breadth
in front on the said Street Two feet and an half more or less
and extending the same width back to the rear of the said
Lot, together with all and singular the Privileges Advantages
and Appertenances thereunto belonging or in anywise
appertaining – To have and to hold the said Piece or
Parcel of Ground and Premises with the appertenances
unto the said Robert Pattullo his Heirs and assigns to the
sole and only proper use benefit and behoof of him the
said Robert Pattullo his Heirs and assigns for ever And all
the Estate right, Title, Interest, Property, Claim and Demand
whatsoever of them the said Robert Carlisle and Catharine
his wife of in or to the same or any part or parcel thereof
with the appertenanaces – and the said Robert Carlisle for
himself and for Catharine his wife doth covenant
and agree to and with the said Robert Pattullo his Heirs
and Assigns, that they are the true and lawfull owners
of the said hereby granted and bargained Premises and
have in themselves good Right, full Power and lawfull
authority to sell and convey the same in manner
aforesaid. And the said Robert Carlisle for himself and for

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for Catharine his wife doth further covenant and agree
to and with the said Robert Pattullo his Heirs and
Assigns that they have done no act or Thing whereby
the Premises aforesaid may be anywise incumbered
and that they and their Executors and administrators
the said hereby granted and bargained Premises and every
part and parcel thereof to him the said Robert Pattullo
his Heirs and Assigns against the lawfull Claim and
Demand of every person whatsoever shall and will
forever hereafter warrant and defend – In witness
whereof the Parties to these Presents have hereunto set
their Hands and Seals the day and year first above
written.

Robert Carlile (seal)
Catharine (X) Carlile (seal)

Sealed in the presence of David Blair, I. Hedden
St. John New Brunswick
Registered the 19th Dec. 1785 on the oath of Isaac Hedden

First of all, who in the heck sells a strip of a lot that is 2 1/2 feet wide and, not stated in the deed, but about 40 feet long in 1785??? Robert Carlisle apparently was granted lot 809 in Parr Town, which became St. John, but there is no earlier deed yet found recording the sale of lot 809. Why was it necessary for Robert and Catharine to sell such a tiny piece of that lot, a lot on which Robert Patullo, a sea captain, had already built his house?

I was also hoping that perhaps one of the witnesses might be a clue to Catherine’s family, but that appears to not be the case. St. John was literally built almost overnight with Loyalists being granted lots and provided with 500 pieces of wooden boards with which to build their new homes. Lots and grants were being constantly bought and sold and deeds recorded. David Blair and Isaac Heddon (a surveyor of Parr Town) were government officials who signed as witnesses on many deeds in that time period.

Tomorrow, I will review some of the other possible clues that the Carlisles left behind, one of which might or might not lead to Catharine’s maiden name.

Israel Hicks & Abigail Carlisle, Family of Pre-Loyalists and Loyalists

Israel Hicks was born about 1785 in New Brunswick, Canada. Looking at his year of birth, you might assume that he was the child of Loyalists who fled the newly formed United States in 1783 at the close of the Revolutionary War, but, in this case, you would be mistaken.

Israel was actually the son of Ira Hicks, born in 1761 in Warren, Bristol County, Rhode Island and grandson of Samuel Hicks and Thankful Bowen. The Hicks were Pre-Loyalists with Samuel and Thankful moving their young family from Rhode Island to New Brunswick, Canada not long after baby Ira’s 1761 birth.

Abigail Carlisle was the daughter of Robert and Catherine (MNU) Carlisle, born about 1793, also in New Brunswick, Canada. Robert IS considered to be a Loyalist, although I would not call him that in the technical sense of the word. His military service during the Revolution was to help guard Nova Scotia from attack. I have found no evidence that he ever lived in the former colonies before or during the war. He was a loyal subject of the king, but not one who lived in America.

Israel Hicks and Abigail Carlisle married on 9 March 1819 in Shediac, Westmorland County, New Brunswick, Canada. The Carlisle family lived in Sussex Vale,  Kings County, New Brunswick so I am not sure what she was doing in Shediac.

SussexShediacMapCrop
Sussex Vale to Shediac
Source: Bing Maps

The two towns are 65-70 miles apart, which was quite a trip in 1819. After they married, they settled down in Buctouche, Kent County, New Brunswick, which is a further 20+ north of Shediac.

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Shediac, north to Buctouche

Israel and Abigail Hicks had eight children, but I know little about most of them. I am hoping some Canadian cousins might see this post and get in touch with me.

(Israel’s and Abigail’s children are left aligned; their grandchildren are bulleted.)

Children, probably all born in Buctouche:

Ira, born 3 September 1821; died 11 September 1908, McKees Mills, Kent County, New Brunswick; married Matilda Abrams, 25 November 1844, Kent County, New Brunswick. Ira and Matilda have descendants, who I believe mostly live in Canada.

Ira and Matilda had eight children:

  • Abigail, born 12 August 1845; died 27 November 1908; married Duncan McKay, 30 June 1880
  • Deborah, born 1847; married Peleg S. Jones, 21 June 1877
  • Abram, born 1852; died 1928; married Mary E. MacFarlane
  • Jane, born 1855; married Charles Geddes
  • Ephraim H., born 1857; died 1921; married Margaret Hyslop
  • James Ira, born 1859; died 1938; married Harriet Jane Sherwood
  • Elida Felicia, born 1863; died 1946; married Robert McConnell
  • Emma Elizabeth, born 1 April 1866; married Willard Jones

Polly, born about 1823

Ephraim, born about 1825

William, born about 1827

David Harris, born December 1829; died 27 September 1853, Meddybemps, Washington County, Maine; unmarried. He was likely visiting or living with sister Elida, her husband and their family when he died.

Charles, born about 1831

Elida Ann, born 1833; died 20 February 1914, Calais, Washington, Maine; married Charles Augustus Stewart, 6 July 1850, Calais, Washington, Maine. Charles and Elida have descendants, all living in the U.S., as far as I know.

Elida and Charles Stewart/Stuart had eight children:

  • Wallace Newmarch, born May 1851; died 20 April 1882; married Annie M. Seymour
  • Permelia M., born December 1852; died 22 June 1854
  • Felicia, born September 1854; died 22 August 1861
  • Harry Weston, born June 1857; died 20 July 1911; married Nancy Gilman Aldrich
  • Melissa E., born 4 August 1859; died 11 May 1921; married Frederick Austin Findley; had no children
  • Carey M., born November 1866; died 18 February 1869
  • William C., born March 1868; died after 1940; married Josephine M. Sadler
  • Annie Maude, born 24 June 1874; died 10 September 1940; married Charles Edwin Adams, 21 September 1898

Valentine, born December 1834; died 20 March 1912, Bangor, Penobscot, Maine, but he is buried in Robbinston; married Mary Ellen Noddin, about 1862, probably in New Brunswick, Canada.

In 1850, Valentine was a 15 year old laborer living in the home of Phillip Boyden in Robbinston. Valentine and Mary were living in Robbinston, Washington County, Maine in 1900. She reported having given birth to nine children, five living. Robbinston was close to Meddybemps, where sister Elida lived.

Valentine and Mary had nine children, eight of whom have been identified:

  • Harris M., born 1863; died 1884 in an accident in the woods; unmarried.
  • George L., born May 1864; died 24 June 1887; unmarried.
  • Howard, born 1866; no further record, but by process of elimination, he must be the fifth child living in 1900 and 1910. It is possible that Howard returned to Canada to live. He is not the Howard Hicks living inFalmouth, ME in 1900. Some Believe he is the Howard living in Kittitas, WA in 1900 and onwards. However, in 1900, he is next door to the family of a Manfred HIcks, age 60, which might be coincidence since Hicks is a common name, but he might be a son of that Manfred.
  • Carrie Maud – born August 1869; married Clifford S. Lovell, 20 November 1890, Robbinston, ME. He was from Middleboro, MA.
  • Eliza Evelyn, born 24 May 1872; died 14 August 1935; married Walter F. Anderson, 14 October 1893. He was from Stoneham, MA.
  • Israel Lindsey, born 19 August 1874; died 27 December 1894 of tuberculosis; unmarried.
  • Lucy M., born 8 September 1876; married Howard Cline, 26 February 1894, Robbinston, ME. He was from Middleboro, MA.
  • Mary Etta, born 19 November 1878; no further record.

Israel Hicks died before 9 December 1835, when his estate was administered. He was only about 50 when he died and left widow Abigail with children ranging in age from 14 to a few months old to raise on her own.

Abigail never remarried. She died 27 March 1871 in Meddybemps, where, like son David, she was either visiting or living with daughter Elida’s family and is buried in the Charlotte, Maine Cemetery near other Stuart family members.

AbigailHicksGravestoneCharlotteMECemetery
“Abigal Hicks”