Descendants of Loyalists Robert & Catherine Carlisle, Part 2: Grandchildren Through Robert & Daniel

Today, we will look at the grandchildren of Robert and Catherine Carlisle in Part 2 of this series. Given the number of children that Robert and Catherine had, it should be no surprise that they had many grandchildren. Therefore, to keep the post lengths manageable, I will share two or three families at a time.

Today, we have the families of sons Robert and John Carlisle, neither of whom remained in New Brunswick. Robert headed to Ontario, Canada, c1825, and John removed with his family to Charlotte, Washington, Maine around the same time.

Robert Carlisle2 (Robert1) was born c1785, New Brunswick, Canada; died between 1848, when he and Mary sold land and 10 March 1850, when Mary sold land  to Peter Shubert and was called the widow of Robert Carlisle; married (1) Elizabeth (Lambert?), c1806, probably Sussex Vale, Kings, New Brunswick, Canada. Elizabeth died before August 1830. (2) Mary (MNU) Stewart, widow of William Stewart, before 8 August 1830, probably Kent, Ontario, Canada, when Mary sold land in Kent, Ontario, Canada as Mary Carlile. Robert’s and Elizabeth’s five children were baptized together in Sussex in 1817.

If Elizabeth was a Lambert, her father is likely Loyalist John Lambert, who was first at Parrtown in 1785. Later, he received a land grant on the Kennebecasis, like Robert Carlisle Sr. Eventually, Lambert removed to Deer Island in the West Isles, New Brunswick, Canada, but there are a couple of early Lambert families in the Ontario land records, who may have been part of a family migration to Ontario.
Robert’s second wife, Mary, widow of William Stewart, may also have been from Sussex, Kings, New Brunswick; William Stewart may have been part of the extended Stewart family that included Loyalists Walter, James and probably John.

It is quite certain that Robert of Ontario is the Loyalist’s son because he filed a deed in Kings County, New Brunswick, Canada in 1831, describing himself as living in Upper Canada.

Children:

1. Anna, born 14 August 1804, Kings County, New Brunswick, Canada; died 21 January 1891, Lapeer, Lapeer, Michigan: married Martin Finesy/ Fennacy, 20 April 1823, Sussex, Kings County, New Brunswick, Canada. Martin was born c1800, possibly in Ireland; died between 30 January 1858, the date he wrote his will, and 14 April 1858, the date the will was recorded, Harwich, Kent, Ontario, Canada. He owned Lot 6 in Harwich, which was on the town line of Harwich and Howard – important for the study of Ann’s uncle, Daniel Carlisle. Fennacy is spelled at least ten ways in records, including starting with PH instead of F.

2. Catherine, born c1807, probably Kings County, New Brunswick, Canada; died 1890, Queens County, New Brunswick, Canada; married James Starkey, 6 February 1832, Queens County, New Brunswick, Canada. He was born c1801; died 1869, Queens County, New Brunswick, Canada.

3. Abigail, born 1809; died after 1817 baptism; no further record.

4. John, born 1811; died after 1817 baptism; no further record.

5. Hugh, born 1813, Nova Scotia, Canada; died between 23 February 1853, when he lived in Dover East, Kent, Ontario, Canada and quit claimed land to Edward Fenesy (Deed Book B:945, memorial #633) and 1855, when Joannah was remarried to Daniel Richmond, Kent, Ontario, Canada; married Johannah Shanahan, c1844, probably Ontario Canada, as her second husband. Johannah was born 1823/1829, Ireland and was Catholic. Hugh was Episcopalian. She married (1) Richard Fuller, 31 October 1843, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan and (3) Daniel Richmond, c1855, probably Ontario, Canada. She had one child, Mary Matilda, born c1844, Michigan with Richard Fuller, three children – John, Elizabeth and Martin – with Hugh and then seven children with Daniel Richmond.

NOTE: If you have an Abigail or John Carlisle, born c1810, who lived in either New Brunswick or Ontario, Canada, you might belong to this Carlisle family. I would love to hear from you!

Daniel Carlisle2 (Robert1) was born c1787, New Brunswick, Canada; died after 1840, when he lived in La Porte County, Indiana; married Alison/Elsie/Alcey Stover, c1808, probably Sussex, Kings, New Brunswick, Canada. Elsie was born c1789, New Brunswick, Canada, probably one of the older children of Loyalist Peter Stover and his first wife, Matilda, who settled first in Sussex, Kings, New Brunswick, Canada. Peter eventually migrated to Kent, Ontario, Canada, where he died in 1836; died after 1840, if she is the female 50-59 living at home in 1840 in La Porte County, Indiana. (Family = male, 50-59, female, 50-59, female, 10-19, 2 males 10-15, male 5-9 and a female 5-9. Daniel is not found anywhere in New Brunswick records except for an 1809 petition in Kings County, New Brunswick (which means he was at least 21 at the time) and one land deed recording a land sale for acreage on the Salmon River in Sussex from Daniel and Alison to Christian Steeves on 12 October 1816. Daniel migrated to Ontario, probably with his brother, Robert’s family, and settled in Kent County, Ontario, Canada. He recorded a land patent there in 1837, but records for two of his children – Daniel and Elcey Jane – both report births in Kent, Ontario, Canada in the 1820s, so he settled there long before 1837. His assigned lot in Harwich was Lot 7 – right next to that of Martin and Anna (Carlisle) Fennacy, his niece, who owned Lot 6. Daniel might have been in Ontario before 1820, as no children appear in the baptismal records of Sussex, Kings, New Brunswick, Canada for his family. Given the gaps in birth years, there are undoubtedly other unidentified children of Daniel Carlisle. Reasons for including them on the list will be stated.

Children:

  1. Peter, born c1812, New Brunswick, Canada; died between 1880 – 1 July 1887, probably Klickitat County, Washington; married Nancy Newcombe, 7 July 1834, Ontario, Canada. She was born 15 September 1811, Nova Scotia, Canada; died after 7 July 1887, probably Klickitat County, Washington. Given that Daniel’s wife was an (assumed) daughter of Peter Stover, it would be expected that Daniel and Elcey would name a son for her father. In 1850, Peter Carlisle lived in Yamhill County, Oregon and reported his birthplace as New Brunswick, which is where Daniel would have been living at the time. One other fact, probably not a coincidence, is that Peter Stover and Peter Carlisle recorded consecutive deeds in Kent, Ontario, Canada in the early 1830s. Newcombe is a family name found in Kent County, Ontario.
  2. Eliza Jane, born c1823, Kent, Ontario, Canada; died 13 February 1916, Howard County, Iowa; married Julius Fox Webster, 25 January 1841, Berrien County, Michigan. Julius was born 9 November 1818, Richland County, Ohio; died 18 August 1892, Howard County, Iowa. Eliza and Julius both reported living in Door Prairie, La Porte County, Indiana when they married. The 1840 census shows Daniel Carlisle and Asaph Webster living two doors apart. Census records show Eliza born in Canada and a descendant added Kent County, Ontario.
  3. Daniel, born c1825, Kent, Ontario, Canada; died (reportedly) December 1883, Fort Worth, Tarrant, Texas; married Minerva Adams, 13 August 1848, Fond du Lac, Grant, Wisconsin. Minerva was born 1828, Rochester, New York; died 1902, California. This couple divorced between 1870 and 1880, when Minerva was living in San Francisco and reported her marital status. Daniel was a California 49er and lived with his family in Oakland, Alameda, California for many years.
  4. James, born c1826, Canada; died 1 March 1896, La Porte City, Black Hawk, Iowa; married Maria Helm/s, 17 August 1848, Fond du Lac, Grant, Wisconsin. She was born 1822, New York; died 1911, Black Hawk County, Iowa. Because there were no other Carlisles in Grant County, Wisconsin in 1850 and James and Daniel married only three days apart, it seems likely that they were brothers. There is a James A. Carlisle in El Dorado County, California in 1850. Although they weren’t living together, Daniel Carlisle was there in 1850. Finally, James and Maria named their first son Daniel James Carlisle, likely in honor of his father.

With the long gap in years between the births of Peter and Eliza Jane, Daniel may well have had other surviving children who I have not yet discovered. As with Robert’s descendants, if you have Carlisles, particularly in Daniel’s case, born c1810-1824, living in Ontario, Canada, please leave a comment.

Next up are the descendants of Robert’s and Catherine’s sons, John and James.

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