More on Robert and Catherine Carlisle Clues

Yesterday, I shared a lot of information about Loyalist Robert Carlisle. However, the discovery of the 1785 land deed in St. John in which Robert and Catherine sold the odd little 2 1/2 foot wide strip of land of Lot 809 combined with the Royal Fencible Americans ship list showing that Robert was a single man when he arrived in Canada makes the odds quite high that Robert and Catherine married in St. John either in late 1784 or early 1785.

The few instances of less common names occurring in their children’s and grandchildren’s names – Cashen, Abraham, Rosanna, Harris, Valentine, Elida, Ephraim – have not led to any ties to Catherine’s origins. For the most part, they appear to come from familial ties to spouses of their children.

It makes sense to consider the earliest records found for Robert, which include some petitions for land in 1785 in St. John, 1790 in Queens County, New Brunswick and 1792 in Kings County, New Brunswick.

The largest petition was dated 14 August 1784 and re-submitted on 2 January 1785 and that was for the original grants to be awarded in Parr Town. That list is quite unmanageable, though, with 1145 names on it. I would bet quite a bit of money that a relative of Catherine’s was on this list, but figuring out who it was might not even be possible.

In 1785, only four petitioners were on one land request:
Robert Carlisle
George Cairnes (Carnes)
Edward Pendergrass
John Shaw

None of those names came up in Loyalist searches, but John Shaw was issued Lot 806, very close to that of Robert Carlisle, who had Lot 809. No other documents tie John Shaw to Robert Carlisle and John did not move on to Sussex in Kings County, where the Carlisles settled.

In 1790, the following people petitioned for land grants in Queens County, New Brunswick:
Robert Carlisle
Andrew Davison
Francis Franck
William Graves
William Linzey
George Manning
John Martin
Alexander McCabb
John Sprague
Love Sprague

In 1792, the following people petitioned for land in Kings County, New Brunswick:
Joseph Anderson
Robert Carlisle
Michael Dunfield
Benjamin Fowler
Frances Franck
William Graves
William Linzey
George Manning
John Martin
Love Sprague
William Sprague
James Stewart

The highlight names appear on both the 1790 and 1792 lists, so perhaps they had closer friendship and/or family connections. In addition, James Stewart, who appears on the 1792 list, is believed to be a brother of Walter Stewart, whose son John Stewart married Robert’s and Catharine’s daughter, Catharine Carlisle.

Of those early settlers identified in Grace Aiton’s book, The Story of Sussex and Vicinity, Alexander McCabb/McCobb, on the 1790 list for Queens County, plus Robert Carlisle, William Graves, George Manning, John Martin (Reverend) and William Sprague on both the 1790 and 1792 lists, appear in Grace’s book.

I don’t know if it is significant or not, but of those original Sussex settlers, only the Carlisles, Stewarts and Spragues moved on to Charlotte, Washington County, Maine. There were Clark, Coates, Doyle and Goddard families in Charlotte, too, by 1830, but these are common surnames and more research will need to be done to determine whether or not they are Loyalist families.

I believe my first plan of attack will be to research the Sprague line!



One thought on “More on Robert and Catherine Carlisle Clues”

  1. I am Anthony Carlisle. Robert Carlisle was my great , great, great grandfather. I know very little about him, except that his wife’s name was Catherine. My family Tree:
    Anthony Carlisle
    My Father:
    Arthur O. Carlisle
    My Grandfather:
    Arthur V. Carlisle
    My great Grand father:
    George M. Carlisle
    My great , great Grandfather:
    James Carlisle
    My great great great Grandfather:
    Robert Carlisle
    If you have any further information, please let me know.
    Thank you,

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